On today’s podcast, we interviewed Kaytie Zimmerman founder of Optimistic Millennial, a blog geared towards equipping young adults to overcome financial and career related obstacles to adulthood. She started writing about millennial money and career topics when she and her husband finished paying off $71,000 of student loans in four years and realized they reached the finish line alone. She’s navigated the corporate world as a millennial woman and advises others on how to do the same. You can find Kaytie on Twitter at @KaytieZimms.

We talked about all things student debt, salary and compensation packages.

You can download this episode from Itunes or Stitcher or listen below.  Check out our 6 top lessons learned from Kaytie.


  • The average student debt right now is $37,000 for Americans
  • Some Millennials will take the first decent paying job they’re offered because on top of student loan payments – they still have rent and regular expenses.
  • Other Millennials get creative with their side hustles and find a job that might pay less


  • Side hustles are something that is very much a Millennial thing in that they’re not something previous generations had; previous generations may have had a part time job on the side. Millennials are creating side hustles to be a source of income in addition to their primary work, or in some cases, for their primary work.
  • There is a desire to follow their passion and a lot of times, their full time job does not line up with that. Some are lucky to pursue their passion with their full time job, whereas most others when they’re first entering the workforce will not find their dream job right out of college.


  • The first step is to figure out how much you owe. Once you have that, it’s all about creating a budget and sticking to it.
  • The bottom line is that there are no foolproof steps to paying off debt. There’s two ways to do it; make more and spend less.

Pro Tip: Take the time to find out what you owe so you can actually create the budget and establish your priorities

Pro Tip: Understand that your lifestyle may change when making larger payments and find out what works best for you (which isn’t always fun). It’s good to have fun but we also need to make sacrifices so we aren’t always living with debt


  • Student loan repayment programs.
  • Flexible schedules with unlimited time off
  • Paid volunteer time off
  • Remote work
  • Relocation to wherever they want, pay for relocation costs, can work remotely and same salary even if you were in a higher cost of living area
  • Puppy parental leave


  • Millennials would take a job for less money for something they love. Salary is important but they don’t have to be top dollar if they’re offering other things (unlimited time off, flexible work, volunteer time off, etc)
  • Try as best as you can to have your Millennial employees work the way they prefer. Understanding that not everyone functions best with an 9-5 job sitting at their desk.

Pro Tip: Think remote, off hours, etc. Talk with your employees about what they need and how you can help them do their best work

  • Finding a financial advisor (independent from the company) to give overall financial advice in a one-on-one session (mortgage, 401k, loan repayment, investing)
  • Provide opportunities to travel and adjust hours to incorporate their side hustles

Pro Tip: A great way for a Millennial to LEAVE your company is to not respect and honor their side hustles

  • Provide clear opportunities for career growth. Millennials want to know the next 5 rungs on the ladder, how to get there, and know they have sponsors to help them achieve those steps
  • Look at Millennials from a positive perspective.  We are all trying to accomplish the same goal regardless of generation

Pro Tip: Foster a positive environment that says that we are trying to accomplish something great and what we all have in common


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Alissa Carpenter

TEDx Speaker, Author, Facilitator at Everything's Not OK and That's OK
Alissa Carpenter is a multigenerational workplace expert, owner of Everything’s Not Ok and That’s OK and host of Humanize Your Workplace podcast.
She provides training, consulting, and speaking services to organizations all over the world. She has an MEd in Social and Comparative Analysis in Education from the University of Pittsburgh and is a Gallup-Certified Strengths Coach. Her work helps to bridge communication gaps across generations, job functions, and geographies, and she has worked with organizations ranging from non-profits to multi-billion-dollar enterprises. She has delivered a TEDx talk on authentic workplace communication, and has been featured in media outlets including Forbes, ABC, FOX, and CBS. Her book, Humanize Your Workplace (Career Press), is set to release next year.
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